I'll admit up front that, that poser isn't MAX, but as I found out when I tried to import a MAX figure, this is probably a good thing... :) Poser isn't state of the art 3D software, it's a cheap and chearfull toy capable of suprisingly realistic results, that lets you easily, (by other packages standards) pose and animate a figure. I'd like it if poser contained everything you described, especially decent knee, elbow, hip and shoulder joints, but for what it is, and for the price you pay, (both for it, and for 3rd party meshes) it's a bloody great program. It's quirky, I like quirky :) later jb