I have Poser5 but don't really want to use it for this project. Actually I'm changing some of the stones and naming those differently. Just a quickie to show what I did as a test, the stone still needs work but I think if I just do a ton of different floors and walls and use those I will have a lot of variety to work with. Thanks Cres for the kick to the brain, and thanks to you too ernyoka, gave up on metaforms. Marque