scalpel & DS3KAD: Thank you for saving me the trouble. My favorite was "Or does your design team lack the talent/funding/direction/management...........something? Please bear in mind that I'm not making personal attacks on your organization". Talk about milk up my nose. zalmegra: Writing to Curious Labs wasn't a mistake but the TONE of your WORDS most certainly was. If you ever post here again, apologies all around would be in order. Like marlon2000 I'm starting to like you, but that 'bull in a china shop' thing gets old real fast. Speaking of which I'm prolly as old as... never mind.