ok what i did was pretty much just editing on a previous vicky texture. i took a face and matched it over the original tex. then i coloured the rest of the jpg to match the skin. the apply to entire figure was not on, i've done this method on the p4 tex's and it worked fine, i know there is a big differance now but i thought that as long as you have the orignal tex and just make a change it should still work. i streched the lips down further to show how the lips were on the tex but were not working. i've never had much luck using the actual template cant do jack with that but i'll give that another shot maybe it'll work for me now jeff