Bruce... JeffH tuned me into your page earlier this month. I find your program interesting and it has great possibilites, IMO. I would like to work much closer with the program but I need to see a detailed tutorial on how to manipulate the shapes on a "flat surface". I found the leg and arm models Fabulous and want to some day (soon) achive the results you have with the program. Kudos, and keep at it! Please Email me snazzeroo@hotmail.com Sprout :0)