Ow.....Antonia....you hurt my eyes....John Wayne in a tiny red bikini....ow...! Seems to me the nudity that shows up in discussions about ERC or how Vickie's clothes fall off whenever she moves needs to be flagged. Reason is those DAZ figures are just so flamboyantly, flagrantly, flauntingly nude. You illustrate a point with Posette in default mode and all you got is an orange Barbie. You illustrate with V3 and you have acres and acres of high-resolution skin stretched over a strikingly statuesque form. (Of course this begs the question...if we are talking joint params why are we rendering Vickie with skin? Or at all? Wouldn't wire-frame be more appropriate?) I'd really hate to have the standard-model V3 stroll into our costume shop, by the way. There isn't anything we could put on her without her looking like a siren or a hussy -- period clothes, sack-cloth, whatever, she is just too male-fantasy.