I'm getting used to MSVC. It does have some oddly placed things but all in all, it is probably the best dev environment that I've ever used. I'm a 'C' coder by trade and if you look at the source of my plugin's, a lot looks like plain 'C' because that's the way I code. C++ is only there for the COM part of the plugin. Otherwise I don't really use it. I would say the MSVC and C++ end of things is easier than the SDK end of things. The yahoo SDK forum may forgive the new coder's questions, Everyone has to start somewhere and eagerness to make new plugins is probably greatly appreaciated. :) But whatever. I'll probalby end up perusing whatever is going to be done.