Zal, a few points. 1.) I am not one of the masses. I am a mass in and of myself. 2.) Though there were a few points in your communiques to Curious Labs I tended to agree with, I thought you came over as a bit heavy-handed. So, maybe we should play the good cop, bad cop bit at this point. 3.) I do think we need to realize and understand the price point market Poser has always been targeted at. Though there are things we would all like to see in Poser that are available in products like Lightwave, MAX, etc. perhaps we should think that maybe that is why Poser costs what it does and LW and MAX costs what they do? For what it offers and with a bit of post-production work (which you still have to do with LW and MAX also) Poser is a helluva deal. 4.) Do I think you are a lamer? Nope. Like I said, perhaps a bit heavy-handed, but what the heck. Compared to some of the posts in these past few weeks your's came across downright diplomatic. 5.) Should you "...stay out of sight for awhile... ? Heck no. At least you didn't insult or name call another member. You may have been a bit heavy with Curious Labs and pushed a few of the wrong buttons, but, like I said, I didn't see any name calling or outright insults thrown at anyone. And it has provided one of the livelier threads here for a while. 6.) As for age, well, if I may paraphrase a character from Babylon 5, the best television science-fiction show ever produced, "No, I am not ONE of the First Ones. I AM the First One." Take care and Godspeed.