I don't know Fox, I'm getting frustrated. I'm beginning to think that even Vicky is incapable of the features described here. If I do anything else to her, it'll have to be starting from scratch, seriously. Marilyn isn't perfect either, the magic on her happens in Photoshop. The problem with Bettie is that in all of her source pics, she's smiling, mugging, whatever. I need a pic where she's just having neutral face and dead on, and a profile pic of same and where the contrast is not washed out. -Darth