Glad I'm not alone in this, although all of the books I have on drawing the human figure say that you should just sit and watch people sometimes. Talk about people thinking you're weird! And I'm an old lady so the young guys must think I'm perving out and the young girls must just think I'm envious...lol The differences are amazing, and the similarities even more so. I tell them I'm collecting material for a movie script...heh, no lie, avi movies 8^) Marque