Hi Folks! A former colleague of mine was the product manager at Specular; I think he is serving in the same capacity at the new Metacreations. If I can get in touch with him, I may be able to get you a full working, legal copy of Infini-D v4.5. Send me another note James, and let's talk some more.Perhaps we can work out an equitable bartering arrangement. Peter (Dr Zik)