So true, RedMM. The generic adults, Poser and Posette, and kids, were "OK" for the first month or so, but not very versatile. In fact I don't even remember the last time I used them in a render! Thinking about Poser and Posette is, like, trying to remember the name of the science book I used in middle school. IOW seems like a loooooong time ago! Michael, Victoria and Vicky (the MG package) are pretty much the "main characters" in all the renders I like, and in a lot of other people's work, too. Stephanie, Mayadoll, the anime girl and a bunch of others are catching up, though!