Well maybe, just maybe - a little of the snooty attitude towards Poser is dissipating. Of course, LW, Max, Cinema and Maya folk (no, NOT the ones that frequent this forum, I mean many of the other ones who refuse to, lol) will continue to keep a distance for as long as they can. After all, Poser is accessible to the masses and we can't have that in our fine elitist little 3D art world, can we? lol :] Fish