I installed 98 over NT, because in most cases 98 is preferable, more software works on it for a start, I don't have to login to it every time, etc. I just can't believe the O/S is this crap, they've only been writing the stuff for 15 years, it's not like it's new or untested or anything, and people wonder why I've avoided PC's all these years, This has never happened to me on a UNIX box, and the only time I've ever had a Mac crash on me was when I tried to import any image into word 98 for the Mac. I suppose what amazes me the most about all this is that people put up with it day in day out, the sun is bright, water is wet, windows is crap. later jb