Right on again, thanks for the additional info :) OK ive found two items in freestuff that I think could be the script you are referring to: Python: Change lights, P5 and P4 by ockham Includes P5 light attributes like RayTrace in the changes. Select some or all lights, select any combination of attributes. (Read the readme for more info.) and, Python: Light changers by ockham Package of four simple scripts. Set all lights to spot, set all to infinite, set all to local, and delete all.(Local is halfway between spot/inf, not avail. from usual commands.) Is one of these what you referred to? I do have P5 installed but havent done any work on it yet. ALL my stuff is in my P4 runtime. Spose I could move it over to work in P5 but Id love to be able to pull this render off in P4 propack Logan