Ok delving in here too now First had huge encounters with a publisher who said no matter how many pixels ... pixels are pixels and no real photo then came the internetgaleries and really started to wonder how things are defined; accepted As far as manips go PERSONALLY think what's done in blackroom is acceptable But a big but here.. retouching is 2D to me.. ok discussing internally now.. i think the borderline for me is the border between enhancing and retouching.. I really liked this months challenge btw! never been here at the forum blush sometimes it seems to be so easy to tweak a photo afterwards in the digital lab .. if you sit for it and focus good you can have GREAT photo's.. and lots of time saved grin