I appreciate the thoughts on the gallery, guys. Nice work, by the way. But that doesn't say anything about end user experience with the modeling compared to other apps. If I released an app today that did modeling with nothing but match sticks there would be a dozen people posting Mona Lisas they made with it next week ;) I admire your fervor, though, and for that reason alone I'll make a serious effort to master it. Carrara is one of those apps I'm really rooting for. Animation Master is still my favorite at this point, but they're pretty radically different apps. I'm gonna upgrade to the next release of Carrara, too, though. 3d animation apps are like musical instruments in a way. Which is better, a violin or a piano? I think I'll always own both and play neither of them well ;)