I can smell 3DMax getting more users.... and PJF i think you are a looser (hey you you start it) the tech could give simple answer just like you did about the images...and it would be end of converstion....i still can say that this was an answer of someone that had no idea what computer is and how to use it...and fo company that is trying to make it....they are going in the wrong direction..they loose more customers than gain..after all poser can't compare to 3DMax or Rhino or Cinema.. Where i work now, even though there are lots of people that are stupid, i'm not able to give this kind of answer...i will loose my job for that.. Jarek (got to go to work now )