oh yeah i'm sorry i didnt repost on that post it got a few pages behind and i figured that no one would see it. i tried the streching thing but i dunno if its right i just cant seem to get anything to even match that upper neck, no matter how light i make it, no dice thanks for the idea though. i might be down now but i'm not out i'll get this thing if its the last thing i ever do the way it's looking it might just be that :o) thanx my friend, jeff