Bee, you said "I give more credit to the programs themselves than perhaps I should." With respect to the art world, one of the largest obstacles the fractal artists are faced with is that many people, and traditional artists in particular, seem to think that the computer creates the art. I've had art show directors tell me "we only accept art that is created by hand." The computer and the software are the tools the fractal artists use, and the fractal artist is the creator. Unless you are using the unaltered parameter set that the formula creates (and therefore the author of the formula created), please don't give the programs the credit for creating art. You are doing it! I create images that I like, for my own amusement and amazement. If others like them, too, that's great! Sometimes they like them well enough to buy them! But I have fun creating them, and I look for something I like, not something that will put me in the fractal-grand-master category. So happy fractaling! Have fun! Keep searching! I like your work and I hope you keep it coming! Linda