Thanks Phil..the Objaction mover doesn't appear to be a live link..let me check the database..hmm..btw, I think a lot of this stuff is in Freestuff, under utilities..maybe in the Poser section, maybe not.. you can search freestuff items..

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)