Thanks Steama & Sailor_Ed. Shonner: The haze effect worked well and was created using two volumetric clouds. Mateo_Sancarlos: Thanks. Yes that texture is stretched a bit but I had a hell of a time getting the texture to sit right. I had several images that had bad pixalation and that took me a couple of go's to work out. Nomuse: Thanks. The ground is similair to Vue that I use also. The texture came from a texture pack that nvidia put out a year or so ago and is just some mossy rocks. It does look good though. I guess it is what you get used to as I could never get the hang of Bryce. I like the trees also but finding textures for them took awhile. Cheers Neil