I too am intestested in what ynsaen is saying here. I would tend to agree with maxxxmodelz for the short term. I think for a while we're gonna need an outside renderer for those smashing Cinema4D and Lightwave style renders. I am betting on Shade. If I could afford it, I'd be picking up Cinema4D for my rendering ambitions. I think I'll investigate Pixie here soon, stewer's always right on this type of render theory stuff.