Ya know, dlk30341...I, too, was thinking along the lines of the Posers, but then again...I have, in the past, had upwards of a dozen of 'em, including the third generations, so I'm not quite sure that this would be the problem here! Would love to go back in and check this idea out, but just don't have it in me to reconstruct this scene from the last "available" save '-)! And obviously in this latest render, the plantlife is certainly not the issue '-). Definitely gonna hang in and see if anyone else has anything to add here!