well i would gladly satisfy myself with the older unimproved versions anyway :) there was a few dress/gears that were really awesomes :) especially speaking that everything now is for v3 and i barely managed since 2 days ago to gather enough money to buy myself a DECENT base poser character couple (mike2 and vicky2) thanx to the fact they were for long time the "norm" and plenty freestuff available (and cheap thanx to the miracle -35% off till the very day i could validate my cart.. was close ! :) a decent v3 would cost me more money than my poser (p4...) i think i come to poser, and to 2nd daz generation 2 years too late to ever benefit from them At least it is better than Dork and Posette (especially because i instantly turn v2 into tenten... !), but well, in 2004 it is hard to get back most of the cool freestuff i saw running front of my eyes beyond my reach since 2 years ago :) (sorry no flame, but without a minimum of addon packs, what are you supposed to do with the very basic v3 , no bundle, given her price ?). DAZ recent products are definitly not for low-income hobbyists, but for professionnals and rmp/other site merchants :)