perhaps the way Sinv-jica responded was not the most diplomatic but I think they may have also just been saying take a second and consider if you couldn't make them yourself - after all, depending on which kind you want they can be as simple as a cylinder for the bar and toruses (torii?) with a same height cylinder inside for the discs. And actually that wouldn't take much time. : ) And that's not to say that you didn't take a second to consider how to do it yourself - but sometimes a response like that can mean that the writer means to empower the recipient and has a brassy way of doing it, or doesn't have the finesse to do it without being ass-y or maybe is an ass. In any event, anytime one is told to try to do something they should remember to see the empowerment value. What if there was no 3d cafe? Dave