Thank you to everyone for all their helpful advice. When I finally get my head around this wonderfully confusing piece of software and get something that I am not too ashamed of, I will post, and similarly once I can knock up a not too shabby prop, it will go into the free-stuff area. Pity about not being able to import export straight from Bryce to Poser, it would be a marriage made in heaven. Lupus55 ... The wolf not the disease, by the way.