"Photoshop, Windows, 3DSMax, MacOS, Paint Shop Pro, Nero, Bryce 3 and 4 and 5 -- this list goes on and on ... What about all of them? All of them currently have bugs the makers are aware of and haven't "fixed" yet. The boards for them are just as vociferous, just as demanding, just as whiny." I have to disagree. I've used Photoshop since version 3, Windows since 3.1, Max 4 and Bryce 4. I've never experienced serious problems with these programs that I've experienced with Poser. Yes, they may have "bugs" but none as severe as Poser's. Plus, I've been to many Photoshop and other programs' forums and never seen complaints to the extent I've seen them here for Poser. And the fact that Poser's bugs (known by CL as "issues") have been with it from version 4 through ProPack and even got worse in version 5 is proof the developer just doesn't care about its customers. It's great to add features but fix the obvious problems first! But CL has already said they're going to address the proplems with 5 in version 6. In other words, they ain't gonna fix 5, let alone 4. I'm with you mouser. Unless they offer a HEAVY discount to Poser 5 customers, I won't be buying 6 either.