"I've never experienced serious problems with these programs that I've experienced with Poser. Yes, they may have "bugs" but none as severe as Poser's." Now Jackson -- lol, when have we agreed often? lol None as severe as Poser? Photoshop took four versions to get the handling of gif format corectly, and three to handle png, and still doesn't handle wpg particularly well. The original plug-ins architecture for it caused it to crash unexpectedly. not gonna go into windows. That one should be pretty simple. However, they work. Not for everyone perfectly, and not all the time. But I haven't had anyof the issues that are commonly heard with P5. I have no issues with workflow (my workflow would actually be destroyed by some of the suggestions I've read for "fixing" that, and I'm pretty quick when coin is on the table), and I've used P5 for some time. And only the very lucky or the fool would say the intial release was good. It took until sr2 for it to be usable with any reliability. It's that -- as LD pointed out -- that rankles people. It wsn't just bad. It was very bad. The stink over licensing and the DAZ issues (played out publically, no less) -- sheesh. That was just plain ugly and left a lot of bad feelings in a place where people wear their hearts on their sigs. also, ERC is a hack. It's a hack dependent in part on cross talk. Cross talk was a bug. It was fixed in P5. Sorta kills that hope. While we'll likely not know how many seats were sold, I'm willing to bet it's in the multiples of thousands. WHich is important to note: The vocal minority involved in these discussions do not always reflect the broader range of experiece with the program.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)