Ynsaen, ya know I love ya, but I can't let you get away with this one: "You are right -- it is somewhat unfair of me to compare the efforts of a tiny company staffed by a hundredth the size of the people and with a budget one thousandth the size of those I mentioned. Terribly wrong of me. Perhaps I should have compared it to Renderosity..." This is another trick you guys use a lot. You love comparing Poser's bugs with Photoshop, Windows, etc., but when you're called on it, you say it's "unfair" to compare poor little CL with those huge companies like Adobe, Microsoft, etc. If it's so unfair, why do people keep doing it? Anyway, so let's compare small companies. I have several packages from tiny companies (arcsoft, veritas, etc.) and even shareware and freeware that work flawlessly. I know your answer to that one: these packages aren't as complicated as Poser. There's always an answer. "It is not an unreasonable expectation that it should work with your system -- provided your system is a common, everyday one. Now, define common and everyday.... It doesn't necessarily have to be "common and everday." It should simply have to meet the program's specs, just like I said earlier. You must have missed that ;) As for magnets, all you gotta do is save a figure with a magnet attached. When you re-load the figure, you'll have two magnets. Save it again, you'll have four. You're right--erratic behavior is broad. I didn't want to list all individual "quirks" that begin once Poser starts bogging down. I just wanted to illustrate that P5 starts to "bog down" much sooner than P4. You're also correct about my list falling under P4. That was my point: they should have been fixed in 5 but weren't. You don't experience memory problems with 5? It doesn't freeze when it can't find a texture? Either you're very lucky or I'm very unlucky. Or maybe you don't use Poser to the extent I do and you just don't notice these problems. In any event, I'm happy it works for you.