oh MY GOODNESS LOL and here I thought I had a lot of fonts at over 2,000 their my weakness also lol. Oh also there were 2 sets of 25 each starter_us flames just posted so if anyone wants some and "more will be posted soon" they are also in the free section parameter files I think the 3rd batch will be some of the better ones see and jellyfish ones plus another batch of abstract ones which can be worked to get just about anything anyone could want. Enjoy them all knowing us probably more grads also soon. Thanks everyone :) thanks again Val:)