I apologise for being too defensive. I've heard lots of comments about Bryce being a toy. "Get a real 3D app then you can do real work." I've heard the same sort of comments about Paintshop vs Photoshop. I can duplicate the same effects from the high pass filter or glow using layers an gaussian blur. Chohole in the very next post shows how she did her rainbow lightbeam effect. I've seen just about every one-click effect from the high-end rendering packages duplicated and surpassed by clever Bryce artists in this forum. The earliest Rayraz work I remember offhand was the planet X contest. He was good then...He's better now. Don't be suprised to hear another, "YOU did that in Bryce" comment because he's going to do it again and again. It's not the tools that make the art, it's the artist.