P5's worth persevering with, the results of the Firefly renderer are worth it alone Plus the multiple, nested runtimes & the material room that knocks P4's material settings into a cocked hat "Be aware none of Daz's products fully support P5, but that's not to say they don't work well on it. They do, but sometimes require some tweaking to the materials." Be aware that some of DAZ textures are crap and won't look good no matter which version of poser you use [Note to texturers - just because you can create a 4000 by 3000 texture doesn't mean you have to, especially when you use jpeg compression to keep the file size down A smaller texture at higher quality gives better results thn a large texture at lower quality Naming and shaming - DAZ' Summer Siesta, the tiger skin rug texture is way fucking pixellated, didn't realise this until I'd posted several images to R'oticas Premier gallery and received a couple of comments pointing out that although they were great images the artifacting of the textures ruined the overall affect & DAZ' Med Balcony, the stone texture looks shit, and I don't bandy that word around lightly Self imposed moratorium, no further DAZ scenery purchases unless I see positive feedback on the scenes' textures from other poser artists first Sorry about the rant but when it takes three frickin' hours to do a render only to find the result is worse tha useless I feel the need to get something off my chest]