Well, if anyone is interested, there is a mesh of the Narcisus at: http://www.lwg3d.com I got permission to convert it for Poser, and we will host it at Vanishingpoint if someone does the conversion, but I couldn't do it. Some of the normals are messed and I don't have the time to do it now, too busy with commercial work. So, who's up for a challenge???? Xantor???????