Thanks lingrif! Only geeks say 'thank you' to people who offer them ways to crash their proggies...... :P And I'm a rank newbie when it comes to modelling. I have Truespace 5.5 that I intend to learn...once I stop being scared of it. But problems like this trip a switch and I =have= to see if I can dope it out... Kind of like when you have a popcorn husk between two teeth and embedded in your gums, you can move it with your tongue, but the little bugger just won't come out....