Aye, I don't think I can come THAT close to realistic! Zhann's images are wonderful. For animation, though, which is the foundation of 3D imagery, it's always good to flex software muscle. I've tried many, many techniques with Lightwave and came up with garbage compared to what Bryce can do more easily and cleanly... But this is Zhann's thread! I'm not a parade-rainer... Your skies are awesome, can't wait to try them out...!