Spedler, you found the cause!!! Taking momentum from your finding, I changed the maximum setting to 1, then set both winglet params to 1, and changed the YTran of the body of the Nightwings to .405. Thisway the fit V3 perfectly! Thanks. I PM'd Darkworld that you found the solution, and took the liberty to add my "embellishments" without taking your credit! I'll post this at Daz. With your name as the one who found the solution. E.

I have tried prudent planning long enough. From now I'll be mad. (Rumi)