Thanks Swade. Yes - and Rochr there is no penalty for sticking with Bryce5 forever - you are welcome to it and it will serve you well. I've seen your images everywhere I know this : ) What if DAZ does take Bryce to the next level? That is what we are all hoping for. If they don't Bryce5 will run on my machine for a long time - regardless. I think DAZ will listen to us like Corel never did - and that by itself is HUGE. As an artist and a provider of content for Bryce artists I am very happy with this news. Scott