PJF I couldnt agree more, I certainly dont intend on shouting anyone down, and without discussion nothing gets accomplished. so I have no problem whith what others say but if it seems to be just to trash something before its even out of the gate I have to question that and try to find out the motivation for it. I certainly didnt intend to bully anyone just find out where the differences of opinion come from. PS erlic I didnt say it was easy to create plugins, but they do exist and can be done if you have the source code or an SKD, if you look in your bryce folder you will see that there are a number of import and export plugins.