Thanks for the link steama. I know of a lot of Byrce people that will be happy. I agree that it is a shame that Eovia didn't get it first, but DAZ has always been good to me; I'm comfortable with the idea and I think that the userbase will grow as I feel a lot of others will be comfortable with it too. Both Corel and Adobe it seems have been making users uncomfortable with higher prices, restricting SDKS, and shelfing or restricting development on graphics products that once had much larger user bases. I hope Byyce finds a permanent home with DAZ. I use both Carrara and Bryce, and if nothing else they build upon each other in terms of the knowledge I get from one I can sometimes use in the other; I hope they both have a long and henceforth happy future. - TJ