I know that PJF, but when was the last time you heard Ken say anything along those lines. Maybe he could have got hold of Bryce but he didn't and from another point of view he had been talking about integrating Bryce with Mojo, including the UI, which I definately wouldn't have liked. My only hope is that DAZ don't mangle my favourite program and I am going to keep telling them what I want to see for Bryce even if I do get a bit tiring, in the hope that they will listen to those of us who have been using this program for a while. They do try to get things right the way the Poser crowd want them, so I don't think they will change that way of doing things with us. 8) Catlin