And now the truth... I started the render wars forum after blackmailing the admins here with photos from their new years party which featured a goat. The forum was created after the render warriors over ran the virtual tavern (tavern was axed recently). The 3D commune (a renderosity enemy) was viciously attached and in return they too created a render wars forum as a term of their surrender. As for me, I am the one they tried, but failed, to ban. Back in the beginning, I was there, expression was free and clever exchanges of ideas were encouraged. Since then, many ideas are crushed by the overly sensitive, business oriented side of the site. So, consider the render wars forum as the last remaining artifact of the time when giants roamed the site (that means me). As a side note: My chat invites were a source of GREAT community building. More people entered chat in those days out of curiosity from my invites then ever before. But, someone complained that the big words and bright ideas hurt their "little" heads. From community builder to ban target was my life. So, fight the power,(subliminal meaning "bow down before me") and express yourself fully (subliminal meaning "resist the admins and accept my sovreignty"). (We don't need no stinking speel cheekers)