"35. by ynsaen ah hell, cliff -- from you, it wouldn't matter if it was DAZ or not, lol" Errr... - thanks? (honestly, I can never figure out which hat I'm meant to be wearing - DAZ pet poodle or the cat from nextdoor that makes all the DAZ flowers wilt) "No -- you've seen the P5 thread over there, hon. P5 has finally reached the critical mass point -- from this point on, it's only going to get louder." Yup - the brokers appear to not only want the sales, but welcome improving their products. I've been really encouraged by even those who've never seen Poser 5 "in real life". What sometimes perplexes me is people who are so adamant that Poser 5 shouldn't be supported becaue it didn't used to get support and that (apparently) prooves that support is not required. At least - I THINK that was the most recent argument I've been given. I look forward to some of the possible developments with much anticipation :) Cheers, Cliff