"5 - The purpose of the thread was to clarify a question for me. There will be products I submit which are P5 based and which do utilize, most effectively, features of firefly and Poser 5 that are not available in P4, and that do not easily traverse to D|S. Since they will handle the conversion for me, I'm pretty happy :)" I'm pretty sure they have a number of products (brokered, and not many but some) which show distinct improvement in P5 over P4 - at least one you buy the P4 or P5 version. They seem to have decided to let brokers support what the brokers want to - which seems a reasonable way to go. Cheers, Cliff