EsoWolf I have till the present done this same thing to bring poser characters into Bryce.... I just have never use grouper. It has always worked for me. Just lots of tweakin. But I can deal with that. Phantast... I too do this. I tried the plugin this morning but wasn't super thrilled with it. Will probably continue to do as I have always done. Wade

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