Binder: I was kind of dreading coming back to the thread, but I see now that you've turned the corner. Not least of all because of the nature of the response you deleted fromn this thread. =) Thanks, Mehndi, I think a second data-point helped. I'll apologize for that word again. The 'What is that?' part was about the lighting. I don't mind saying that I started with someone pressing an 'evaluation copy' of Poser into my hands, and my reaction was the same as anyone else's. I chose not to post in the forums (this was back before the PFO?R-osity split) until I had purchased a copy, although I lurked and I suspect I downloaded from free stuff. I don't recall if I learned that from the forum(s) or found myself among like-minded people once I got (t)here.