Yeah - I paid $25 for him (Neftoon Pal) but I think he's a perfect 'toon' male, and was worth it to me. He complaments Sara (and the others) very well, as I've said before and will say again and again. It is sad that he hasn't caught on - but that shouldn't stop the creator of him from supporting him, for those of us who did buy him, neh? ;) As to Sara (the original), I absolutely love her body and proportions - I think they are off, yes; but then, she's not intended to be another Vicky. She's got a unique look (call it toony or whatever). And, I rather like it - long legs, arched small of the back, tucked tummy, leathal breasts - but, then, I realize I am mostly alone in my thinking she's one of the best figures available - both in style and in looks. She gets so little support as it is and even her creator and owners have all but abandoned her. Its a shame really. But, there are those that do enjoy her too and who are morphing her - so, I don't mind. As to GIRL - I really wanted her as well. Even when DAZ purchased the rights to distribute her, I wasn't immediately turned off. But, now I'm at a 'wait and see' point. Its been a very long time, and my anticipation has become ambivilience(sp).