^ and who do you think taught her? ;-) The people mentioned so far are all second and third Generation users. JeffH, JKeller, Kevin(old Tech forum mod),FT and heck........I'll even toss in my name as well. Are the folks who taught and paved the way for all the people mentioned in the above lists. I remember Jeff telling me once he had to explain to Anton what an .obj file was. The people who began this whole "Hacking then Teaching" thing have stopped posting for the most part. And moved on to solving other technical problems. The people who started the whole thing very rarely get credit for what they started. So I thought I'd toss in their names just so the new users know that the folks they talk to now,actually learned their tricks from a previous generation that rarely gets mentioned, because they are not posting much anymore. They are the true Popes of Poser in my eyes. -ScottA