RTE or Objaction encided files are okay by all major poser content makers and sites to distribute variations of commerical mesh as the original MUST be used to decode it. As the user can't use it without decoding and there is as yet NO way to crack a RTE or objaction coded object (Yes I've tried for the sake of science) this is a safe and secure way to distibute variations of copyrighted mesh. So technically getting the creators permission is good manners, but not needed. Dodger is well within bounds. and GreyTower, I suggest you not try to scold your elders. Bad karma. Plus ..we remember annoying people looks evil waves to Hauksdottir and gives secret Evil Emperors Salute ps Jim could ya tell Dodger its okay if he converts PW clothing objects? we don't mind :) and it would give us one less thing on the List Lyrra