I'm not looking for something to "bitch" on as you say. I don't recall this site being so "poser" entrenched when I joined. I must have joined at a time Poser was not as well advertised for a while. Alot of the artwork was inclined to other mediums at the time because there was still alot of 3D but most of it was objects and scenes but not alot of poser. I hadn't been here in a while and it seemed as if the whole Poser scene had started up in earnest with an overkill is all. I had no idea this place was a "poser" paradise on the web. Anyhow... thanks everyone for the comments.